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No mám tu jednu vec na preskúmanie .... V poslednej dobe chodím za warloca tankovat do SWP lezbicky. Jedna znich konkretne Grand Warlock Alythess casti na tanka-warloka Dotku ktora sa na nom stackuje a dava fire dmg kazde 2s. Plus este ktomu to casti na tanka-warloka firebolt. Navyse este casti Blaze ktory po zásahu dava fire dmg a na zemi necháva plamienok, ktorý dáva každú 1s fire dmg. Takze ked to zhrniem warlock tank je neustale zasahovaný fire dmg.
A tu ma príst na radu talent Nether Protection .. pri dvoch talentoch ma 30% sancu na proc.
pripajam link z nasej wiki ..... http://wiki.mystiq.o...ia/?spell=30302
No nie je tomu tak dnes napríklad za cely fight kym sme tie dve cukby sundali mi tento talent procol iba raz. Ked to porovnam z inými dungeonmi napr tankovanei ilika, tankovanie Blinda alebo len blbe pvp tam tento talen procuje hodne casto co by odpovedalo tym 30% .
Ale u tejto cupky neprocuje takmer vobec. A nie je to len dnesny pripad ale mam to odskusane uz aj zminulych ID ked som tankoval. Pojdem to este odskusat na DEV server kde necham tu cubku do seba mlatit do nemoty a uvidim ako to to bude procovat tam ..

Bol som to omrknut .. nechal som do seba mlatit a skusal som stopovat ako casto sa mi nether protection spusti. Prvy jrat sa spustil tento spell po 6min a 38s. Ked zoberem do uvahy ze som bol bez rezist gearu, stal som stale v ohni tak je to fakt mizive cislo. Druhy krat sa zopol o nieco skor bolo to okolo 4 min .. co je stale hroza a do tretice to bolo kolo 8 min. Takze mozem potvrdit ze jednoznacne tento spell nefunguje o tohoto bossa tak ako ma :D

Tak to tu predsa je. Problem s tymto talentom je ze MA procovat aj z DOT tickov a channel spellov, nielen z direct dmg. Neviem ako je tomu v PvE ale v PvP z dotiek neprocuje, v dueloch so shp priestom/affli lockom by to mal mat na sebe destro lock v podstate stale na sebe(j je to brutalne OP). Toto by ste mohli omrknut co najskor:P.

Btw comenty vo warlocks den: "PVP: 7. This talent shines in PvP where the immunities versus fire and shadow affect shadow priests, fire mages and ALL warlocks. Since DoT ticks may trigger the effect, it is almost a certainty that the nether protection buff will be activated once during a fight against these classes (except the fire mage). However, this does little to protect you against the other classes -- thus making it a situational talent. This talent will give you lots of love in most battlegrounds, especially in most situations where warlocks are not immediately focus fired."

http://wowmb.net/for..._protection/p3/

Edit: Ma procovat len z prveho ticku dotky "Nether Protection procs on Direct Damage spells hits, the FIRST TICK alone on a DoT, and on EVERY TICK of a Channeled Spell."

http://wowmb.net/for...vs_destro_lock/

This post has been edited by Rohipnol: 21 January 2013 - 01:44 AM

Buďte rádi, že to nefunguje tak jak má... pri procu by vám to totiž mělo vynulovat váš threat a boss by se vám utrhnul. A krom dvojček to dělá docela slušný haluze i na KJ, neboť pokud mi Flame Dart nahodí Nethet Protekci, tak si do mně KJ už moc nezabouchá, neboť začne spamovat další Darty a ty mi protekci nahazují zas a znova... (jednou jsem byl takhle nedotknutelný +- 30 sekund). Ale je fakt, že se Neter Protection zapíná pouze přímým dmgem.

tak to mi asi nieco uslo .. kde si vycital ze by to malo zhadzovat aj agro?

Prave sem prolezl wikinu i wowhead a nikde nic o nakym shazovani aggra...

no prave .. warlocka poznam docela dobre a toto sa mi hned nezdalo .. a druha vec potom by warlock nemohol nic tankovat .. takze to stym agrom je naka kravina :D

wowwiki - Illidan Stormrage (tactics): Positioning - ■1 Warlock Tank: Maxed shadow resistance gear, no points in Nether Protection - to by tam asi neměli pro srandu králíkům a když se to veme kolem a kolem, tak je to to samý, jako kdybyste tankovi hodili bublinu od palacha. A možná jsem to předtim nenapsal úplně správně: lepší by bylo, že za dobu trvání Nether Protection by jste měli jakoby shozený agro.

Tohle je zalezitost patche 2.4.2. pokud sem prelozil spravne a spravne pochopil tak na patchi 2.4.3. dochazi ke zmene??
Once the pre-WLK patch goes live, the redesigned Nether Protection will become a MUST HAVE for Warlock tanking instead of a no-no. Removal of the old immunity mechanic allows NPCs to stick to the caster, while he benefits from high mitigation from that school of magic. Note that it will effect ANY magic school, not just Shadow or Fire.
http://old.wowhead.c...2917#comments:0

Hlavne kdyby to pltilo vsude melo by to byt vsude napsane a ja to videl jen u toho illidana. Je mozny ze sem se prekouk sem nakej ztahanej tak se na to taky juknete. Dik

no wotlkovskej nether protection funguje jinak... tam se to spouští random class spellem a poskytuje to pouze snížení dmge na danou spell class. A když to srovnáme s comentem předtim:

Make VERY SURE that your demon phase tank, if he's a warlock, does not spec Nether Protection!!! If he does, and Nether Protection procs, your raid is VERY likely to wipe. Illidan will stop targeting the warlock tank and shadow blast the next on threat, which is a HUGE problem.
http://old.wowhead.c...2917#comments:0

navíc v Tempest Keepu (Grand Astromancer Capernian):
Nether protection? Tried tanking her this one time and noticed that she'll switch targets when the casted fireball was immune (NP up). I tried clicking it off asap so she would turn to me again. Pain in the ass to tank with NP..
http://www.wowhead.c...=20062#comments


Pokud by tudíž nether protection pouze redukovalo dmg, nebyl by problém. Ale nether protection co tu máme teď dává naprostou imunitu na FIRE a SHADOW...

nicméně tohle je už trochu OT

This post has been edited by Realeg: 18 February 2012 - 10:39 PM

Updating severity to: 2 - Fair

Takze aby to bolo zosumarizovane,

Warlock guide http://wowmb.net/for...ome_better_you/
"...This is a very important talent that can cause sudden threat reduction, and can save your life and reduce healing done on you..."
"... Nether Protection talent is very important on end-game fights where you get imminue to fire and shadow spells for a limited period of time and will cause mobs to reset aggro on you immediately like imps in terestian illhoof fight or Fatal Attraction in Mother Shahraz fight. This is a very important and life saving talent...".

Teda aj podla Warlocks Den by proc mal resetovat agro a k tomu procovat by malo z kazdeho ticku channeled spellov a z prveho ticku dotky.

Updating severity to: 3 - Medium

Takze zasa zmena co sa tyka procu, podla vsetkeho ma procovat okrem direct dmgu aj z aplikacie akehokolvek shadow/fire spellu/debuffu, tie ticky channelov su tym padom pravdepodobne blud, ak nema aplikacia s dmgom nic spolocne tak by nebol dovod preco by mal procovat z tickov dmgu pri channel.


Drakedog 7

Video
01:48 nether prot tu procuje zo silencu od Shadowpriesta
08:06 dalsi proc NP od priestovskeho silencu
14:12 NP procol z warlocovho fearu
14:16 NP procuje z aplikacie dotky siphon life


Drakedog 8

Video
02:07 shadowpriest hodi SWP na locka a tomu procuje NP pritom ziadny dmg nedostal. (teda proc z aplikacie)
08:13 z aplikacie dotky procuje NP na enemy targete, (shadowburn to nebol, nieje na cooldowne)
15:00 proc z warlockovho Fearu
15:06 proc so Searing totemu od shamana


Boneshock 1

Video
4:47 warlock dostava vampiric touch a jemu procuje NP bez toho aby dostal nejaky DMG. (zasa len aplikacia)


Boneshock 2

Video
1:30 vpravo su vidno ability, NP tu procuje uz z aplikacie Drain lifu, ziadny shadow dmg mimo dotiek v ten moment nedostal.
6:19 zasa vpravo dmg ktory lock dostava, NP proclo z aplikacie Drain Lifu, ziadny shadow dmg sa tam nekonal.
6:28 tu procuje nether prot z petovho silencu!!! (je to tiez shadow spell)


http://jadefury.blog...on-is-fair.html
Takisto tu sa pise ze NP procuje z aplikacie vsetkych shadow/fire spellov.

"NP does not, nor has it ever, procced off of dot ticks. Only the application of a fire/shadow spell will trigger its activation." Toto by teda odpovedalo tomu co sa deje vo videu.

Tiez tento comment "I ran straight past 4 shadowpriests and easily lived. So, yeah. If you're going to spec destro, don't pass up this talent. That just saved me from about 9,000 damage easily." je daleko od reality mystiqu kde tento talent procuje LEN z direct dmgu.